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18. Going Nose To Tail On Food With Steve Guy

Cultures were forged by the food they consume and the ingredients that they once traded. Centuries of specialised crafts – which are still livelihoods – were developed around animal-based products.

I’m becoming more aware of how the rapidly changing global narrative around meat consumption is unfairly denigrating cultural identities.

Industrialisation and unethical animal-based farming practices have now been identified as a significant contributor to global warming. Our demand. Our overconsumption. And our distorted relationship with food is the root cause.

The global response has been largely centred around a transition to plant-based lifestyles. The protein transition movement has the marketing machine in overdrive. And singular thinking advocacy is on the rise.

As an omnivore, I must confess. I do struggle with the ethical dilemma of slaughtering animals for food. Many of us aren’t exposed to how the meat we consume is reared. And to be frank, most of us would rather not know.

However my guest today – Steve Guy – is actively forging relationships with local farmers, growers and distributors. Those that are doing a better job. With a better product. And with a reframed ethical mindset. 

Steve is a Private Chef. Food Educator. And a career reincarnator. An assiduous individual with an uncomplicated and honest perspective on food. 

The latest incarnation of Steve – The Hungry Guy – is a characterisation of everything that is Steve. His values. His vision. And his zestful personality.

A personality that is making waves across the Shropshire food scene. Steve is experimenting with business models. And playing host to residencies at some of Shropshire’s most exciting and emerging foodie joints. Leaving his signature in every kitchen he graces. Every person he meets. And every mouthful of his food that is consumed.

The Hungry Guy is Steve’s first entrepreneurial endeavour. A project that aims to simplify the food equation. To make cooking of good food accessible to all. And to demonstrate why the food we cook and the food we consume, can internalise an experience.

This is a conversation that goes nose-to-tail to reset the balance on our relationship with food. A conversation that questions our understanding of the true value of food. A commodity that is essential for life. But one that isn’t necessarily given the investment or reverence it truly deserves. 

This conversation also questions the temporal shift the pandemic provided in respect to our behaviours around cooking. Behaviours that took us back to baking things and boiling stuff in a pot. 

At points in this conversation, we also debate the misleading narratives and data that is engineered to peck at our emotional temperament.

By no means is this an anti-vegan or pro-carnivorous conversation. We certainly aren’t two burly meat-eating carnivores attempting to railroad the mainstream conversation. 

Our goal is to balance the narrative. By advocating a reduction in meat consumption. Changing the lens on how we celebrate animals. And sharpening the lens on how we source animal-based products. 

But most of all it’s about providing reverence to more than just the muscle of the animal.

This conversation took place at my home. I had the pleasure of spending the day with Steve. And felt truly honoured to have had Steve bless the first in-person conversation of the podcast. I must also express an unequivocal appreciation to the man behind the lens; Bob Greaves; for capturing the boyish energy of our conversation. A range of still’s can be found on social media and the episode web page.

This conversation is full of laughter. It’s fun. It’s quirky. And is a masterclass to help us make minor adjustments and better food choices. 

Throughout this dialogue, Steve reminds us of why we eat in the first place. The basic principles that we have become disconnected from. But most of all Steve reconnects us to the true value of food.

I hope after listening to this conversation, Steve’s eclectic energy, expertise and enthusiasm for food, nourishes the soul. And allows the soul to be at peace with the meat-based food choices we make.

Warning: This episode contains some mild adult humour and mild language.

RESOURCES

Steve Guy: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn | Facebook | Email
Book: The Flavour Thesaurus
Website: The blueBar at Wyle Blue World in Shropshire
Website: Wackley Brook Organic Small Holding in Shropshire
Website: The Pantry at Manor Farm in Shropshire
Website: 10 Facts About Food Waste
Website: The Markegard Family – Top Soil Friendly Farmers
Website: Kiss The Ground – Meet the Farmers
The Guardian: UK Households Waste 4.5m Tonnes of Food Each Year
The Guardian: Jamie Oliver is right. Putting food on the table trumps diet.
The Guardian: Jamie Oliver, you haven’t tasted poverty. Cut out the tutting.
BBC News: National Food Strategy – Tax Sugar and Salt and Prescribe Vegetables
FAO Report: Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Agriculture, Forestry and Other Land Use
Wikipedia: Food Waste in The UK
Netflix: Cowspiracy – The Sustainability Secret
Netflix: Seaspiracy
Netflix: Kiss The Ground
Man Behind The Lens – Bob Greaves: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn | Facebook | Email

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17. Drifting Between Liminal Communities with Rev. Jeff Grant

Meet Rev. Jeff Grant. Once a drifter. Now a traveller. 

One who through suffering, pain and wreckage discovered a community. Hiding in the shadows. Under the abject shame of rejection. A community providing acceptance and belonging to fellow travellers.

Rev. Jeff is an ordained minister serving the white-collar justice community. His position holds a special reverence. His divinity – granted by the seminary – and protected by the state. Enables him to provide confidential counsel to those in need of crisis support. A crucial nexus for travellers that have just entered a liminal state.

Jeff’s own story is a rise, fall and rebirth of biblical proportions. 

Once a big-time real-estate lawyer. Owner of his own firm and a restaurateur. His meritocratic rise was buckled by an addiction to prescription opioids.

An addiction that prompted poor judgement. As his firms’ cashflow faltered and personal debts mounted. Ethical boundaries became blurred. Disbarred for reappropriating client funds. And eventually jailed for fraudulently claiming 9/11 disaster relief funding. 

The richness of his big-baller lifestyle soon disappeared. And through the ashes of devastation, a richness of spirit emerged…

I met Jeff through a mutual friend and old friend of the podcast; Craig Stanland. Craig was in fact one of the first travellers to have sought Jeff’s counsel. 

This is a conversation that drifts between two disparate liminal communities. The white-collar justice community and subjects of a diaspora. 

You may wonder, how do you draw a commonality between these two very distinct groups? The root cause of shifting liminal states is largely incomparable. However, acceptance, belonging and accountability are all very relatable. 

Whilst Jeff share’s his experiences within the white-collar justice community. I share my experiences of being a child of the Empire. And how our coerced liminal experiences impacted us, shaped our value systems and carved out routes of accountability.

This conversation took place on Easter Monday. Receiving blessings from an ordained Christian minister – regardless of my religious affiliation – was a real gift. 

Jeff is warmly spoken. His charisma is alluring. And his presences creates a safe space to express our inner spirit. That is Jeff’s gift.

A gift he doesn’t exercise through preaching. But by shepherding those seeking his counsel with the empowerment to realise this gift for themselves. 

A few weeks following the recording of this episode. The Supreme Court of New York reinstated Jeff’s license to practice law. Travellers seeking his counsel are now able to be served in greater ways. 

Blessed to welcome the first master of divinity and now practising attorney as a new friend of the podcast.

  • M.S. Batory

RESOURCES

Jeff Grant: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | Email
Newsletter: Jeff Grant on Medium
Newsletter: White Collar Week on Substack
The Guardian: Three men arrested amid inquiry into £6m Covid loan fraud
Forbes: Starting A Discussion On White Collar Crime And Recovery
Forbes: A New Class Of White-Collar Victims: The Family
Insider: This is what it’s like when the 1% go to jail, according to a couple that ministers to their families
Very Well Mind: The 12 Steps of Recovery Programs
BBC News: Bounce back loans: Hunting down the Covid loan fraudsters
Financial Times: Bankruptcy, jail, ruined lives: inside the Post Office scandal
Business Standard: Many Indian-origin post office managers hit by stealing scandal in UK
Entreprenur Europe: I Went to Prison for SBA Loan Fraud: 7 Things to Know When Taking COVID-19 Relief Money
Connected to India: Indian-origin UK postmasters awarded settlement after winning post office stealing scandal case
Prisonist: Thinking About PPP Fraud? Hannah Smolinski Interviews Jeff Grant
Website: Justice For Subpostmasters Alliance (JFSA)
Book: Without Buddha I Could Not be a Christian
Book: Religious Perspectives on Business Ethics: An Anthology
Book: Orange Is the New Black
Book: Blank Canvas: How I Reinvented My Life after Prison
Netflix: Orange is The New Black
Netflix: Jeong: A Practical Theology of Postcolonial Interfaith Relations

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Episode #16: Rejecting The Patriarchy With Vanessa Osage
Episode #15: The Invalidation of Experience with Candice Mama
Episode #10: Correcting Reality with Craig Stanland

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16. Rejecting The Patriarchy With Vanessa Osage

Vanessa Osage is a journeywoman. On a voyage of remediation to mend a loophole in the schooling system. One that has concealed the historic sexual exploitation of children. And a governance model – that unfortunately – still fails to adequately protect and serve our most treasured assets. Our children.

Vanessa is a sexuality educator, president of the Amends Project and founder of the Justice CORPS. 

As a sexuality educator, she operates on the fringes of sexual health. Her personal mandate is to pull this conversation out of the perimeter and into the mainstream. She does so by honouring this topic with the honesty and reverence it really deserves.

Her work has drawn criticism. Vanessa, however, is no stranger to critique.

As a child, Vanessa was condemned by her school leadership team for speaking up about an incident of sexual overreach that occurred on school grounds.

Vanessa was in attendance at a prestigious private boarding school in Massachusetts – New England. The perpetrator was the school groundskeeper. When she approached the school leadership team for support and guidance. She was muted. Her story invalidated. Her funding revoked.

The groundskeeper stayed in role until Vanessa returned as an adult. She insisted on speaking at a school graduation event. She hit the podium and valorously delivered a speech that uncloaked the entire cover up.

The aftermath. The resignation of the headmaster. The instigation of a restorative justice programme. Surely the beginning of a journey into remediation? 

Not exactly.

However this journeywoman was not to be deterred.

This conversation explores Vanessa’s story through the lens of a failing patriarchal system of governance and self protection. We delve deep into the social and fragile construct of masculinity. And remind ourselves of why the systematic and – what can feel like – innocent humiliation of boys is the source of these offences. 

We discuss why boys should be taught to embrace and nurture both masculine and feminine energies. And to deny men the benefits of emotional intelligence is a disservice to men as much as those who are harmed by men. Our societal norm however has delegated emotional responsibility to women.

Men by far are the perpetrators and concealers in each and every one of these stories. Traditional masculine values – ones that seem revocable – are now starting to harm us.

This is a conversation – not of sexual abuse, but betrayal. In her own words, Vanessa reminds us that the undertone was sexual, but the overtone was an abuse of power.

We need more conversations that support what it means to be a sexual being, at the time when sexual maturity is happening. And boys should be taught to respect and honour that right.

Vanessa is the embodiment of her story. A seeker. And a journeywoman who in the face of adversity ran towards the sunrise. She journeyed from coast-to-coast with the barebones of an automobile, a few clothes and some basic rations. This revealed to her an America, honest people and an opportunity to heal.

On her travels. Those painfully seasoned eyes were able to see the real gritty honest heart of America. It revealed its tragedy, its triumph and its kindness. Vanessa’s words. Not mine.

This conversation will echo in its eternity based on those three words alone. Tragedy. Triumph and Kindness. For me, that is Vanessa Osage.

Warning: This episode contains explicit language and a topic of discussion that some may find distressing.

RESOURCES

Vanessa Osage: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | Bookography
Book: Can’t Stop the Sunrise: Adventures in Healing, Confronting Corruption & the Journey to Institutional Reform
The Amends Project: Justice CORPS Initiative
The Amends Project: Support the Movement
Thrive Global: Vanessa Osage: “Be authentic and imperfect”
Knkx: Boston Globe’s Investigation Into Widespread Sex Abuse In New England Private Schools
Boston Globe: Private schools, painful secrets
Michigan Daily: In defence of the female gamer
CBS News: 11 former New Hampshire prep school staffers accused of abuse
BBC News Feature: The boarding school ‘monster’ who always walked free
The Needle Blog: Brookside School, nr Ludlow, Shropshire
White Collar Week Podcast: Ep. 17: #TruthHeals: Systemic Abuse & Institutional Reform with Vanessa Osage, feat. Guest Co-Host Chloe Coppola

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Episode #10: Correcting Reality with Craig Stanland
Episode #15: The Invalidation of Experience with Candice Mama

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15. The Invalidation of Experience with Candice Mama

Candice Mama knows how to make an entrance. 

A humanitarian. An author. And an ambassador for post-conflict reconciliation.

Featured in Vogue Magazine and recognised by the African Union as one of the top inspiring women of our present. And a former face of Mac Cosmetics South Africa.

Candice’s personal story of forgiveness and transformation has become a beacon in supporting post-conflict societies. Her story was featured as one of the 75 stories for the 75th Anniversary of the United Nations.

The first guest on her podcast – Coffee with Candice – was the Granddaughter of the late Nelson Mandela. 

Now that is indeed how you make an entrance…

Reconciliation is a theme that resonates with many black and white South Africans. Candice’s association with the emotional impact of Apartheid had proximity to a significant and traumatic event. 

Candice’s father; Glenack Masilo Mama, was a political activist. A revolutionary who was assassinated by the infamous Eugene De Kock. Eugene led the paramilitary hit squad known as The Vlakpaas

Eugene orchestrated and executed the systematic termination of political activists with a brutal and undignified virulence.

The aftermath of not only losing her father but coming to terms with how her father was murdered directed Candice into a depressive cycle. The mental loops constructed by resentment, anger and loss had a consequential mental and physical impact. One that she has now overcome by sharing her story.

This is a conversation about the invalidation of experience and a window into the life of South Africa’s post-apartheid generation. It also highlights the impact on an individual whose paternal bond was mercilessly disrupted. When forces of political oppression have inaccurately narrated a history this can induce a form of racial and social gaslighting. School texts today still represent an alternate history. One that didn’t happen.

Candice reminds us; the further you are removed from an incident, the more diluted it becomes. That the system of Apartheid wasn’t designed for black people to win. It was designed for them to fail. However both ‘black and white’ are victims of the socioeconomic impact of oppression and indoctrination.

Vengeance – as an output of war – destroys the inner sanctum of our soul. When we embrace the ability to forgive those for the pain and trauma they have inflicted. We unlock ourselves from what can be a devastating mental incarceration. 

In 2019 Candice published her version of her story in Forgiveness Refined. An immersive memoir of her childhood experiences that culminate at the moment she met and hugged her fathers’ assassin. A hug being the most visceral of human connections. Such an embrace is an awe-inspiring symbol of forgiveness. 

A modality of forgiveness that Candice has truly redefined.

Candice chose the narrative under which she documented her history. And reminds us that we all encompass the ability to change our story. 

Such a joy to welcome a new friend to the podcast. One whose energy for life, love and appreciation embodies a gravitating force. One you will find difficult to break away from.

Warning: This episode contains explicit language and themes that some listeners may find distressing.

RESOURCES

Candice Mama: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | Bookography
Book: Forgiveness Redefined
BBC News: I hugged the man who murdered my father
BBC News Archive: Apartheid in South Africa
Book: Heart of Darkness
News24: I used to love Steve Hofmeyr then I found out he was a racist
BBC News: Julius Malema
The Guardian: The odd couple: Why an Apartheid activist joined forces with a murderer
Podcast: Coffee with Candice
Podcast Episode: Ndileka Mandela: More Than The Legacy of Nelson Mandel‪a

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14. On Writing, Friendship and The Mangrove with Farrukh Dhondy

An iconic writer, author and political activist. A friend to literary figures that have influenced civil rights movements and world leaders. An integral spoke in a wheel of influence – Farrukh Dhondy

Farrukh’s career achievements are self-evident. A diverse body of work that spans decades to a rich set of acquaintances that he holds so dear.

After graduating in Natural Sciences at Cambridge he was presented with a moral dilemma. A default career path would have directed him towards India’s atomic weapons programme. However, this wasn’t aligned with his developing political inclinations and ideologies.

Farrukh course-corrected and found direction in writing. This change in career trajectory came at an inflexion point in the history of the UK civil rights movement. Farrukh was well-positioned, well-educated and ready to nurture a craft that could help balance the scales of social injustice.

His timing – like everything in his life – had him at the right place, at the right time, with the right skills and with the right people.

Farrukh reported on the trial of The Mangrove 9. This watershed moment in the UK civil rights movement thrust institutional police racism into the limelight. Farrukh alongside the Mangrove 9 defendants went on to form the UK Black Panther movement. 

Farrukh is often engaged in consultation for major TV and film productions. Guerrilla – by John Ridley – and the recently aired BBC series Small Axe – by Steve McQueen. Both have Farrukh’s fingerprints all over them. Stories, historical insight and characters that are integral to these productions were sourced from Farrukh’s own experience as a founder member of the panthers.

This movement would introduce Farrukh to formidable characters such as Darcus Howe, CLR James, Barbara Beese, Althea Jones and the Nobel Laureate V. S. Naipul.

Farrukh’s activism and writing would eventually diverge into the realm of theatre and TV. The Black Theatre Co-Operative was a gateway into creative roles as editor and writer for Channel 4, the BBC and numerous independent productions. Whilst at the same time crafting an immense body of literary works.

This conversation navigates Farrukh’s career via a collection of stories based around friendship. He shares intimate conversations about – his house guest – CLR James and his encounter with Trotsky. Memories of his friendship with Darcus Howe. And the influence of Althea Jones and Mala Sen – his first wife and author of the book that became the Bandit Queen.

  • Mangrove 9 Trial - Newspaper Clipping

We also explore how a turbulent set of encounters with the Nobel Laureate V. S. Naipul turned into a lifelong, close personal friendship. And how he was the only reporter in the room when The Beatles met the Maharishi in 1967. Oh Farrukh also hangs around with Pink Floyd at some point during the conversation too.

For me, this a personal interest story. In 1952, my grandfather emigrated to the UK from Punjab, India. I never paid attention to his stories about fermenting racism. And the labour movement that was pivotal in shaping immigrant rights. I didn’t have the insight or inclination to ask questions. Now, I wish I had.

New years eve of 2020 – when this dialogue took place – was my opportunity, to start to appreciate the political atmosphere. To understand the actors who were the architects that shaped my life of privilege. For which I now appreciate the debt of gratitude I hold towards the activists and socialists that rose against systematic oppression.

This is a conversation about social justice, friendship, nurturing relationships and being present in the moment. Upon reflection, I later realised that Farrukh doesn’t care much for legacy. We are often consumed in strategising to create a legacy as opposed to being present in what we do. But Farrukh reminds us that we simply get on with life. Embrace moments and be present in those moments. Support those around us and give our time and attention to others. 

I was in complete adoration of Farrukh’s achievement. A man of incredible accomplishment. Farrukh made me reflect on my own relationships and the purposefulness of my own body of work.

I do this to improve myself. To learn, to widen my lens and hope somewhere a message or conversation has some sort of social or personal impact. To me, that is Farrukh Dhondy. Truly an honour and privilege to have spent time with a legend. A moment in my life that I will truly treasure and a newfound friendship that I hope to nurture.

A special thanks to Naina Redhu for contributing to the artwork for this episode. A hyper-talented photographer and artist out of Gurgaon – India. Link to Naina’s various social media profiles in the links below.

Warning: This episode contains explicit language.

QUOTES

I was a peacemaker, a communist and whatnot, so I told them I don’t want to help make Indira’s Atomic bomb. – Farrukh

Scientific exploration is the way forward for humanity.” – Farrukh

The kind of poverty I grew up around, convinced me that there was a connection between irrationality, superstition, even religion and that degradation of humanity” – Farrukh

The poverty was crushing, you saw people starving in the street.” – Farrukh

The audience for multi-cultural writing exists, but multi-cultural writing doesn’t exist.” – Farrukh on meeting his first publisher.

I don’t like that Dhondy fellow, he doesn’t believe in anything.” – Farrukh on V. S. Naipul’s first impression of him.

Things are not just relative and subjective. There is an objective truth. There is an objective way of looking at books and poems. I believed all that.” – Farrukh

CLR James used to say that America is a country closest to communism. Which is a very strange thing to say. But the democratic qualities of America will eventually lead to some form of equality.” – Farrukh

Darcus was full of insight into a situation. He could gauge an audience and address their concerns without resorting to what he read or cliché. He could address an audience exactly how they wanted to be addressed. It was a great gift. Some of it was rabble-rousing, but with a tight harness.” – Farrukh

“I learnt more about India’s economic policy by looking at an auto-rickshaw. More than anything I could read in a book.” – Farrukh quoting Darcus’s observation on the economic governmental monopolies of India.

RESOURCES

Farrukh Dhondy: LinkedIn | Bookography
Naina Redhu: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube | Facebook
New York Times: Worldwide Propaganda Network Built by the C.I.A.
New Yorker The Shattering Double Vision of V. S. Naipaul
NPR: Remembering Nobel Laureate And Author V.S. Naipaul
The Guardian: 12 Years a Slave: the book behind the film
The Guardian: Landmarks in law: when the Mangrove Nine beat the British state
BBC: The Mangrove Nine – BBC Feature
Prospect Magazine: For all his flaws, VS Naipaul was a pioneering genius
New York Times: Obama, the Best-Selling Author, on Reading, Writing and Radical Empathy
The Guardian: Leila Hassan Howe: ‘My life was made hell. You’d just hear a tirade against immigrants
Royal Gazette: The New Cross Fire (January 18, 1981)
New Yorker: The Strangeness of Grief – Augustus the Cat
New Republic: V.S. Naipaul on the Arab Spring, Authors He Loathes, and the Books He Will Never Write
Brixton Blog: Brixton figures in BBC Black history course
Refinery29: The Untold Story Of The Women Who Led Britain’s Black Panther Movement
Our Migration Story: Communities in action: the Indian Workers’ Association
Rolling Stone: ‘It’s About a Certain Kind of Blackness’: Steve McQueen on the Making of ‘Small Axe’
BFI: “These are the untold stories that make up our nation”: Steve McQueen on Small Axe
Bustle: Where Are The Mangrove 9 Now?
Stylist: Remembering Altheia Jones-LeCointe, the UK’s forgotten civil rights activist
Vulture: Guerrilla’s Critics Say John Ridley’s New Show Erases Black Women Activists
Indie Wire: ‘Guerrilla’ Review: John Ridley’s ’70s London Black Power Drama Tries to Show All Sides of a Revolution
Open Culture: V. S. Naipul on Barack Obama’s Summer Reading List
Beatles Bible: The Beatles meet Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Unfinished Histories: The Black Theatre Co-Operative
Left Voice: C.L.R. James and Leon Trotsky: A Negro Organization
BlackHistoryMonth.Org: West Indies Federation
British Library: Intelligence report on the Indian Workers’ Association
Warwick University – Research Paper: Towards a History of the Indian Workers’ Association
Edinburgh University Research Explorer: The Ethnic Roots of Class Universalism
Nobel Prize: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2001 – V. S. Naipul
Andrew Whittuck: Pink Floyd Photograph Portfolio
Film: Bandit Queen
YouTube: Mala Sen speaks about her book Bandit Queen
TV Series: Small Axe on BBC One
TV Series: No Problem
TV Series: Tandoori Nights
TV Series: King of the Ghetto
Book: Darcus Howe: A Political Biography
Book: East End At Your Feet by Farrukh Dhondy
Book: India: A Million Mutinies Now by V. S. Naipul
Book: India’s Bandit Queen
Bookography: V. S. Naipul
Bookography: Sukhwant Singh
Bookography: CLR James

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Episode #5: The Sustainable Enterprise with Mike Mcilroy

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13. Sparking Connection Through Storytelling with Marsha Shandur

When we are attracted to those who are successful or inspire us. It’s their innate ability to tell a story. That’s the attribute that charms us and creates a spark.

A spark is likely to catalyse a physical or emotional connection. And it’s from this connection that the storyteller can truly showcase their message, their brand and their goal.

This is a conversation on how we best illuminate ourselves in the presence of others. From making new friends or business acquaintances, to delivering a sales pitch, performing at a job interview or speaking at a keynote. We are somehow telling a story in every aspects of our lives. As children, we even learn through stories.

A well-told story illuminates not only the message but the qualities of the storyteller. Tangential stories have this immense ability in drawing connection. Sharing a random thing that happened at the coffee shop in the morning, to the DIY disaster that happened over the weekend. We open ourselves up to being vulnerable. This drives an innately human attraction. From which, relationships and trust are established.

Vulnerability is currency. And is the opening gambit to my conversation with Marsha Shandur. We begin today’s conversation by asking each other to introduce ourselves. As expected, we fumbled. Our anxiety over such a simple question got the best of us. It not only provides a comical opener to what was an immensely fun conversation but also provides a foundation for shaping an entertaining and value-filled dialogue.

Marsha Shandur is a storytelling coach. In her own words, she helps people fall into platonic business love with you. Marsha’s past-life covers a diversity of accolades. From being a DJ on Xfm to producing the music for – the E4 hit show – The Inbetweeners and Made in Chelsea! She also co-authored the book Off The Mic: The World’s Best Stand Up Comedians Get Serious About Comedy.

As a coach, she empowers her clients to tell their stories. But it’s not necessarily about the story. It’s all in the delivery. This is where Marsha shines. 

In 2012 Marsha was scheduled to run the New York City Marathon. Hurricane Sandy was forecast. The NYC marathon was cancelled. But after months of preparation, Marsha wasn’t quite ready to abandon the run. So she embarked on an unplanned solo marathon around London.

Aptly named the Marshathon!

This was an impromptu event. Marsha tied the laces on her running shoes and headed out for her solo marathon. There was no thought around the physical logistics. The media coverage or charity fundraising. It’s amazing what one can achieve once you’ve not only committed but started the race. Planning and executing in real-time.

It was this story that sparked a connection between myself and Marsha. How Marsha and I connected is a prime example of how stories can influence. A well-told story ignites a spark. It catalyses a chain reaction of events that not only connect people but can also leave a lasting impact. 

This conversation covers just as much terrain as Marsha’s run across London. We share anecdotal stories that have us in fits of laughter. The energy in this conversation is all-consuming. Marsha is the embodiment of her message. An immensely fun individual – with not only a wealth of diverse experience – but with a gift to captivate an audience. One which Marsha is keen to share. 

Marsha reminds us of how every aspect of our existence is underpinned by storytelling. An insight into her Russian heritage provides a lens that allow us to explore how stories shape cultural identities. Historically stories have not only provided a means of passing down information – thus preserving an identity – but also shaping the style of a narrative.

We have limited bandwidth from which we can experience the world. We live through stories and we allow others to live through ours.

That’s the real spark of human attraction.

QUOTES

When we tell stories, we show people who we are. Emotion is the most important part in telling a story. – Marsha

We crave belonging more than anything else. Even more than happiness.” – Marsha

Often we don’t apologise, because we feel so much shame around admitting we are wrong.” – Marsha

Everybody has my trust from the outset. You don’t have to earn it. You just have to maintain it.” – Bobby

I’m gonna hate you first. And if you judge me and find me not good enough. It doesn’t matter, because I already hate you.” – Marsha

That’s the thing about vulnerability. Feeling vulnerable; if you can be cynical and judgy about everyone else. It’s like an armour between you and them.” – Marsha

If I ask a really good question, and somebody responds with – Bobby that’s a really good question – my mind goes into self-congratulatory mode and I stop listening to the answer.” – Bobby

RESOURCES

Be sure to check out Marsha’s Secret Web Page for a whole raft of resources referenced in this conversation. Supplementary links to other resources, and how to follow or connect with Marsha are below.

Marsha Shandur: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube | Email
Secret Web Page: Bobby’s Secret Web Page of Resources
News Article: Woman Completes London Marathon Solo Run
Website: World Domination Summit in Portland
Video Talk: The Anatomy of Trust by Brene Brown
Book: Tricks of the Mind by Derren Brown

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12. Bravery in the Face of Ethical Uncertainty with Olivia Gambelin

The human condition is a complex and unpredictable amalgamation of multiple intelligence characteristics. 

Our ability to make effective decisions requires us to make linguistic, spatial, emotional and ethical judgements. Artificial Intelligence doesn’t yet cover everything we perceive to be intelligence. 

Computer-based data models, assumptions, algorithms and even ethical frameworks are provided by humans. Containing the same intentional and unintentional bias as their creators.

Humanity is accelerating into an age of AI. Increasing our dependency on decision-making machines across the entire spectrum of societal functions, from science to education. Social media on the other hand is indirectly influencing our personal decision-making process. From shaping our political views to the people we like, to the products/services we buy.

How suitable are ethical models in governing platforms, code and architectures to ensure we maintain societal balance?

AI is changing the shape of society. A society made up of a multiverse of cultures. All with their own distinct moral codes and ethical constructs. So how do we apply ethical models to technology when one size surely can’t fit all?

Living in Europe, with so many languages and cultures on my doorstep and an ancestral connection to the Indian subcontinent. I’ve always been fascinated by the construct of culture, from languages to traditions to ethics. In light of our digital acceleration, my curiosity for how we apply ethics to technology whilst maintaining cultural balance is also accelerating.

So, I enlisted the support of Olivia Gambelin – an AI ethicist – to widen the aperture of my lens and qualify what I did or didn’t understand. Olivia is the founder of Ethical Intelligence.

When I first reached out to Olivia, what I didn’t quite expect was this shared passion for the construct of culture. Especially when viewed through the lens of AI and ethics.

I instantly knew we could shape a truly unique conversation. 

In doing so we start today’s conversation by unpacking Olivia’s Italian-American heritage. We travel through conversation to an Agriturismo in Tuscany. Olivia’s love for Italy and her memories of her Nonno are truly wonderful to listen to. 

Olivia’s story around the Agriturismo isn’t just the opener to our conversation but provides a real insight into her persona. One centred around embracing the fear of the unknown but immersing herself with absolute focus. To do so requires bravery. In a field dominated by the male humanoid, a female mindset – one who speaks about culture with such honesty and adoration – is crucial in influencing the ethical models desperately needed to minimise the disruption on society.

Culture is the bedrock of this conversation. It creates a foundation based around linguistics and language that sets up a deep-dive into the different types of ethical models. Culture also provides us with a lens to help define the relationship between the terms philosophymorals and ethics.

There are various touchpoints to the Netflix documentary The Social Dilemma and recent events such as the UK exam fiasco and even personality assessments that provide much-needed context to a complex topic of conversation.

We close the conversation by pondering self-aware fictional characters and robot rights. Olivia’s insight will surely provoke your thoughts in this space. 

I felt honoured to have shared this conversational experience with Olivia. She talks openly about her heritage and the challenges of shaping the role of an AI ethicist. A role that is shaping our ethical landscape. From our social media feeds to machine driven decisions that are directly influencing the construct of our lives.

GLOSSARY

Deanthropomorphisation is the removal of a thing’s anthropomorphic nature; making something less human in form or character.

Deontological ethics is when an action is considered morally good because of some characteristic of the action itself, not because the product of the action is good. 

Consequentialism is results-based ethics. Of all the things a person might do at any given moment, the morally right action is the one with the best overall outcomes.

Virtue ethics deals with the honesty and morality of a person. It states that practising good habits such as honesty, generosity makes a moral and virtuous person. It guides a person without specific rules for resolving the ethical complexity.

QUOTES

How do we create a standard that is structured enough, but adaptable enough so it doesn’t clash with cultural values? – Olivia

Technology is a mirror of humanity back onto itself” – Olivia

I want to be the best version of those multiple versions of myself.“ – Bobby

All of those facets of myself are completely authentic. Different cultures allow me to highlight different aspects of myself. – Olivia

Culture is an output of different morals and different ethics.” – Bobby

We each have our own cultures. We live through those cultures. We have values through those cultures. It’s not a bad thing that there’s a bit of chaos there.” – Olivia

Computer-based personality assessments are people covering their backs on accountability. I didn’t hire this person because computer said no.” – Bobby

We need to embrace and approach technology with bravery.” – Olivia

RESOURCES

Website: Ethical Intelligence
Latest Training Workshop: The Equation
Website: Olivia Gambelin
LinkedIn Profile: Olivia Gambelin
Twitter: Olivia Gambelin
Article: Brave: what it means to be an AI Ethicist by Olivia Gambelin
Article: Everything that went wrong with the botched A-Levels algorithm
Research Paper: Robot Rights? Let’s Talk about Human Welfare Instead – Abeba Birhane and Jelle van Dijk
Book: Quality Land – Marc-Uwe Kling
Film: iRobot
Film: WALL-E
Documentary: The Social Dilemma on Netflix

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11. Deconstructing a Difficult Conversation with Nicole Posner

Conflict is a regular occurrence in business, work and life. I often walk away from a difficult conversation and later kick myself when I realise what I should have said. 

I like to believe that I’m a fairly empathetic individual. Many of the characteristics around empathy are key to effectively engaging in a difficult conversation. However, my version of empathy can often be heavily weighted around my emotions. That can be advantageous, but unbalanced emotions in a moment of conflict can be fuel to a fire. 

This is something I know too well. I’ve played every character in a conflict. The protagonist that helps mediate or helps identify the need for mediation. The antagonist who has at times – for right or wrong – catalysed a conflict. And finally, the one who has been formally or informally mediated. 

I wanted to gauge how well I understood this topic, so I reached out to Nicole Posner. Nicole is a professional Communication/Conflict Specialist and Workplace Mediator. My conversation with Nicole didn’t just fill the gaps in my knowledge. Her insight enabled me to zoom out and look at mediation from a much broader perspective.

There is a gift in Nicole’s presence. One that enables people to feel safe and most importantly acknowledged. It’s these embodiments of human sentiment that we seek on a daily basis. When our communication frequencies are jammed we can feel isolated, unheard and at times victimised. 

The human impact on people can be debilitating. 

When somebody feels unbalanced at work, the seismic impact can be felt across personal and family relationships. The root cause of workplace conflict can take many guises. From bullying to harassment or even the output of a disciplinary process. One that may feel unfair.

To help deconstruct a difficult conversation and navigate conflict – this episode aims to address:

  • Why it’s important to ground yourself – either before a difficult conversation or how to respond if a conflict takes you by surprise
  • The importance of being calm, engaged and present in the conversation
  • The role of dignity and what dignity can mean in this scenario
  • Why social norms have ingrained a win/lose mentality and why people often defer a difficult conversation
  • How to recognise when somebody needs help and informal intervention techniques
  • How Zoom has made challenging conversations more complex
  • The power of silence in not only diffusing a difficult conversation but also it’s role in catalysing one
  • Why recalibration of boundaries can go beyond the ones that are crossed
  • How to balance the mission vs. the person
  • How other forms of communication – beyond conversation – can be effective in resolving disputes
  • The importance of active listening

I’m hoping this conversation will enable us to reflect on how to avoid an arising conflict. There are clues in the conversation, ones that if leveraged can avoid the need for a mediation. 

As we journey through conversation, we also explore Nicole’s career path. One that weaved its way from the performing arts to public relations. The drama, the characters and the personalities along the way certainly provide Nicole with the unique ability to decode conflict. Let’s not forget, some characters enjoy conflict. It can be a sport. One that provides a degree of satisfaction at somebody else’s expense.

Mediation isn’t about winning or losing. It’s about finding a common ground, one with compromise. However, sometimes we have to zoom out the lens and offer concession as a gift. If we see others struggling, we should reflect on the cascading impact this may have on their life outside of work. 

QUOTES

What is actually going on here for you? What are you protecting? What do you need from this to be who you need to be? – Nicole

Avoidance is a marvellous thing, but serves nobody apart from self protection. ” – Nicole

The worst way of starting a difficult conversation is – we need to talk – that just put’s up my shield.“ – Bobby

There are certain individuals that find confrontation a sport. – Bobby

We are hardwired to process danger by running away. That’s how our brains feel when we’re under attack.” – Nicole

I’ve never walked into a situation thinking I’ll come out saying – I’ve changed that persons mind.” – Bobby

When people are invested in the process, the outcome is more sustainable.” – Nicole

A physical connection can bring emotional attributes that words simply can’t express.” – Bobby

RESOURCES

Website: Nicole Posner Mediation
LinkedIn Profile: Nicole Posner
Instagram: Nicole_Posner_London

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10. Correcting Reality with Craig Stanland

I’m super excited to share my conversation with a new friend; Craig Stanland. His story is quite unconventional.

Craig defrauded Cisco at a tune of just over $1m and was incarcerated for his crime in a federal prison in Connecticut.

Each time Craig hit the enter button to process a fraudulent transaction, he wasn’t just funding a lifestyle. He was inadvertently changing the trajectory of his future and those around him. A future without his wife, without his assets and without self-worth.

How did Craig miscalibrate his moral compass?

He had a successful career, a beautiful home and a supporting family.

What was the aftermath of his decisions?

How does one rebuild, reinvent and forgive themselves to prepare for a life outside of prison?

These are one of many questions that shape my conversation with Craig.

Craig was the architect of his own reality. One that made it acceptable – in his mind – to qualify that the fraud was legal. When quizzed by his wife and accountant, he simply brushed them away and accelerated the fraud. When such a distorted reality is underpinned by a man’s ego, even the strongest of structures will crumble faster than it was built.

Craig’s crime wasn’t difficult to decrypt. He paid his taxes on every fraudulent dollar earned and kept intrinsic records of every transaction. Leaving the federal forensic accountants rather unchallenged.

We not only map the mechanics of the fraud, but also Craig’s journey of self-forgiveness. One where trusting himself and rebuilding his integrity was dependant on him first decoding his distorted reality.

We cover in detail the day Craig was arrested by the FBI. We also unpack an eye-opening snapshot of life in a white-collar federal prison.

The emotional turmoil of not only his sentence but the aftermath of a life destroyed created a mental prison. One that was less forgiving. One that eventually drove him to the point of contemplating suicide. When he confessed his thoughts of suicide to his father, the response this elicited was largely unexpected.

It’s moving, it’s emotional and will make any parent reflect on their relationship with their children.

Craig now lives in an amazing apartment overlooking a park in Brooklyn – NY. During parts of the conversation, you can hear birds tweeting. It’s quite symbolic. The survival of most species of birds is predicated on their freedom of movement. The intermittent tweeting is a gentle reminder of Craig’s freedom and a new found reality.

A reality conceived around a set of core values. He now keeps commitments to himself, to rebuild his integrity whilst restructuring his life as a reinvention architect – a life coach – and an author.

His book titled; A Blank Canvas – How I Reinvented my Life After Prison is scheduled for release in March 2021. The title of the book was inspired over lunch with Kamal Ravikant.

The old adage that freedom is a right and not a privilege only rings true until you lose that freedom. Time is a gift; freedom is a privilege and reinvention is Craig’s new reality.

QUOTES

When I pressed the enter button to start the fraud, something told me this isn’t right. I didn’t know it was illegal, but I knew it wasn’t right – Craig

The sound of handcuffs going around your wrist is one of the most visceral sounds you can imagine.” – Craig

That whole period for you is a reset, reboot, flush the cache to do something new and different. – Bobby

Forgiving myself was one of the most important things I had to do as part of my reset. – Craig

You can’t have self-confidence if you don’t trust yourself.” – Craig

There was this fallacy in my head that I thought money gave me freedoms… but you know, it didn’t.” – Bobby

I was in a prison cell before I was in prison.” – Craig

“I’m trapping myself in a past that can’t be changed and a future that I don’t know.” – Craig

RESOURCES

Website: Craig Stanland
Twitter: @CraigStanland
LinkedIn Profile: Craig Stanland
Instagram: Craig_Stanland
Facebook: Craig Stanland
TEDx Talk: How I Learned My Greatest Worth in Federal Prison
Website: Mind.Org – For Better Mental Health
Website: The Campaign Against Living Miserably
Website: Progressive Prison Ministries – White Collar Support Group

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9. Turning Ideas into Positive Impact with Mauro Cozzi

There is sufficient venture capitalist funding for every business to become a positive impact business. With this in mind, what is the formula for launching a successful startup?

  1. Generate ideas
  2. Test ideas
  3. Execute on an idea
  4. Fail 
  5. Rinse and repeat

Fairly simple right? But the secret sauce in the success of a startup is largely dependent on three ideals:

  1. A founding team blended by years of solid friendship or individuals that can quickly find a cadence with one another
  2. A team that complements each other and can rise from adversity stronger than where they started 
  3. A compelling answer to why the business exists and how it has the potential to change the world

These are one of many lessons I learnt from my conversation with Mauro Cozzi. Mauro alongside Eduardo Gómez and Ben Peddie are the founding team of Emitwise.

Emitwise empowers companies to accelerate their carbon to net-zero targets by using AI to automate how businesses measure, report, and reduce their carbon emissions throughout their operations and supply chain. Emitwise went from ideas on post-it notes in a kitchen to having some of the largest corporations in the world using their solution. 

All this in 12 months!

The ambitious founders quickly identified the need to recruit the right people and expertise. It’s not only the right blend of experienced individuals, but how the co-founding team engages, that has been pivotal to their rapid success.

Mauro, Eduardo and Ben are building a moonshot. One with a viable business model and the ability to support real, sustainable climate action.

Mauro and Eduardo’s friendship stems back to High School in Chile. Even at an early stage, they were ideating solutions to help tackle the climate challenge. Inspired by a physics class that explained climate change principles and the feedback loop that exacerbates global warming. 

They were on a mission to make a real positive impact.

In this episode, we focus on Mauro’s story from his origins in Argentina and travel via conversation around Latin America, North America and the UK.

We also breakdown:

  • The mechanics around ideation. How idea’s should be tested and why noise around issues/challenges is largely irrelevant when pitching for investment.
  • How Mauro, alongside his dorm room friends Maciej Szpakowski and Przemek Zientala first got a taste for entrepreneurship at a University Dragon’s Den Programme
  • How Mauro’s first experience in the startup world landed him on the acclaimed Berkeley Skydeck accelerator programme in Silicon Valley
  • How Silicon Valley contributes to shaping core values and promoting a mindset change in young entrepreneurs 
  • Why Mauro’s first startup failed and how this contributed to Eduardo and Ben accidentally co-creating a new opportunity

There is a serendipitous nature to this story.

Mauro’s journey has a degree of randomness. Lots of disparate pieces that on their own are difficult to stitch together. But when viewed through the lens of Jazz Fusion – yes, I suspect you weren’t expecting that twist – there is a relationship, a series of events coupled with a degree of improvisation that can create a musical masterpiece. 

One that has the potential to change the world.

QUOTES

Activism ‘in a pat yourself on the back type of way’ is a privilege. Activism in having real meaningful impact is a responsibility. – Mauro

You are here to build a moonshot.” – Mauro

Ignore whether you believe in climate change or not, it’s the biggest game of Russian roulette the world has ever played – Elon Musk.“ – Mauro

The most important thing about a business is the why. Everything falls out of the why.“ – Mauro

I’m not any kind of exceptional person, I was just told I could do something different and I listened.“ – Mauro

“Every day on a constant basis we are reminded of the companies’ mission and vision. To accelerate the transition to a net-zero world.“ – Mauro

By flexing the idea muscle you’re only going to make it stronger.“ – Bobby

RESOURCES

Website: Emitwise
Twitter: @emitwise
LinkedIn Profile: Mauro Cozzi
LinkedIn Profile: Eduardo Gomez
LinkedIn Profile: Ben Peddie
Twitter: @mauro_cozzi
Twitter: @eduardo_a_gomez
Twitter: @benjaminpeddie
Website: Berkeley Skydeck Accelerator
Website: Future Worlds Dragons Den
eBook: The Business Benefits of Carbon Accounting
Blog Post: The Ultimate Guide to Becoming an Idea Machine
Website: Snarky Puppy – A Great Introduction to Jazz Fusion


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